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[083] Decoding Your Bodies Signals with Amy Mills

• Emma Clayton • Season 4 • Episode 83

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This episode brings forward a refreshing discussion on the intricate connection between our minds, bodies and emotions. Professional massage therapist, Amy Mills shares her insights on the benefits of massage and the importance of listening to bodily cues as well as her own self-healing journey towards purpose, being in the best shape of her life and falling in love.

We cover 
• Exploration of how pain serves as a message from our bodies 
• The role of massage therapy in physical and emotional healing 
• Insights into the impact of emotional suppression on well-being 
• Upcoming events and retreats that foster self-discovery and healing 

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Speaker 1:

This is the Modern Leader Way the podcast for corporate career women who want to feel good on their way to the top. I'm Emma Clayton and I'll be sharing with you tangible advice to help you stop sacrificing your soul in the name of success and experience more balance, confidence and fulfilment both in and out of work. Hello and welcome back to this episode of the modern leader way podcast, where I am joined by the delightful amy mills. Hi, hello and welcome to my crib. I love the crib. I thought why not? Um, amy and I have known each other for what it must be five years now, and I wanted to have you on my last podcast and it never happened did it and be five years now, and I wanted to have you on my last podcast and it never happened.

Speaker 1:

Did it and I said, oh, now is the perfect time to have you on, because we've just gone through talking about dress and how stressful our lives are as busy working career women and how the importance of just taking that step back and like truly allowing our body to enter that relaxed state to allow us to rest, restore, rejuvenate and all the things. And I know you are an expert on this topic, especially when it comes to the physical body, so I wanted to start there.

Speaker 2:

But why don't you give us a bit of an introduction to who is Amy Mills and what is it that you do with your work in the world Interesting because it keeps coming up for me at the moment anyway, with my own clients, which I always find that they teach me in the process, I have been on a journey, always knowing, when I was younger, that there was more to life, and always questioning things and wanting more, never feeling like I belong somewhere or never felt settled not that I wanted to settle. It was very much like an ongoing battle in my mind. I wasn't academic at all at school, so kind of just fell into because my grandparents owned nursing homes. So I just fell into that care sector of never really knowing what to do. So when I was in my early 20s I went through a really toxic relationship and at the end of that that was a big awakening for me.

Speaker 2:

All I can describe is like a big light bulb, moment of like, yeah, you've got this power, you've got guidance, you've got support. And as I've gone on more and more, I've realized that sometimes that's not even on this physical level. Yeah, just realizing that there's just more to life than what we've been taught. So, starting a journey into beauty, realizing that I absolutely love massage, just went down that path and kept going and kept going, went, traveling, came back, wanted to work for myself, didn't want to work for anyone else, didn't want to be on a minimum wage. I think, as I've grown more into my 30s as well, I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2:

I love my 30s and now I'm like at the latter end of that and I know I feel more excited coming in, knowing that I'm going into my 40s like, yeah, powerhouse yeah, I love that so yeah, just understanding that the body is where everything lies and we can look outside for external validation or, you know, thinking that we need to create something outside, but it's what we do inside that creates the outside yeah and I think, learning more and trusting more and sitting with things, instead of being in our masculine and forcefully got to do this, got to do that, which is what you know we're conditioned and programmed to be like doing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so I do a lot of massage, different types of massage, um, sports therapy. I'm very intuitive in the way that when people come, I don't want to be forcing their body to do something that their body doesn't want to do. Like you said, everybody's stressed. If that body's in stress, I'm not going to be like pounding it to the point where it's reacting to me. So, yeah, when my clients come, I pick up on what they're feeling, work with that. A lot of dry clients come I pick up on what they're feeling, work with that. A lot of dry needling, acupuncture and healings, doing more healings and events and stuff like that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's so awesome. So you're kind of like bringing it all together, really, aren't you in this lovely bundle? I was kind of grinning as you were talking in the earlier part of that introduction, because you're a human design manifester, aren't you? Yeah, and so am I. So I've talked about this on the podcast.

Speaker 1:

We've had someone on to sort of talk to us about what human design is, and, and I guess the one of the traits, the common traits I see through all the manifestos that I do know, is this kind of like real independence and knowing that that way that I've been shown is not the way. Yeah, that I'm on my own path and I've just got to find it, and, and I think there is that sort of seeking energy in both of us. Actually, that has led us to kind of doing more of a purpose work in the world, rather than potentially going down a path that we later think, oh, how did I even get here? Yeah, although it took me 20 years to kind of wake up to that myself, it's the right time exactly, and we're going to talk more about that because, um, I've just loved watching you in the last year or so especially, just kind of come out from the shadows, almost, and just be this like flourishing into this grounded goddess of just brilliance, and so I want to get into some of that.

Speaker 1:

But let's start with the massage, because I must admit, I've been to you many times for massage and what I really appreciate is you're seeing the body, you're feeling it, but you're also sensing, yeah, what it, what it's going through. So you will say to me something like, if it's my knees, for example, are playing up, it's like, oh, so where are you, like not moving forward? Yeah, and it's like, huh, because you don't normally think about it in that way. Right, because we again, because we're so busy, we're walking around, going oh, niggle here, pain there. Just got to get rid of that so I can continue moving like I keep doing. So what are some of the common things that you see on your bed?

Speaker 2:

so, first of all, people come with pain, and I have to try and explain to people that pain isn't a problem. Pain is a message. You wouldn't leave your car and not take it to the garage, so why are you leaving this vehicle?

Speaker 2:

because, that is what it is. So these are like management lights or running out of fuel, and it's. Everything is coming from what we think, how we feel, things that have happened to us since we were younger. So they've created neurological pathways in the body to send signals and messages. So everything has stemmed from when we were younger. So that is the way that we then carry forward, so connecting to the body. Everybody has the same emotions, generally in certain parts of the body it's just looking at where that is.

Speaker 2:

And we literally say the phrases of like, bending over backwards, like we say them carry the weight of this world on our shoulders but we don't actually connect that with real life. Yeah, but it's just helping people to become a bit more aware of that okay, so tense shoulders we carry responsibility like guilt.

Speaker 2:

We carry a lot of stuff also like you're giving. So it's looking at the whole aspect of what we do from here down and out. So you're either giving or receiving too much. It's the actions that come with the emotions right, so where?

Speaker 1:

so? Where else?

Speaker 2:

the shoulders is one place where, typically, would you see, so a lot of people carry hips, hips, yeah, but it depends, because people also do certain things physically say riding a bike, yeah, running which also I find are similar in the way that they think, or maybe something that's going on with their life. So a lot of runners will be running away from things, or it'll be their therapy of escaping. You know, it's just bringing them into that awareness of, like, what are you running from? Where are you going? Like, can you sit with what is coming up in your mind instead of having to be forcefully doing something? Yeah, it's great to be outside, but also can you allow that to just come?

Speaker 1:

up, and I think that's the hardest thing, as you and I know, having done this for ourselves. It's the hardest thing, as you and I know, having done this for ourselves it's the hardest thing to do, right but I think there's, there's also if someone's listening and they're like oh, hang on, I, I run like. What am I running away from?

Speaker 2:

like how does it?

Speaker 1:

land. Do you find it easier to approach it from this like physical body kind of angle?

Speaker 2:

at the end of the day, it's my perspective, right? This is what I feel it might not connect with other people so it's just planting little seeds into people? Yeah, and then if they're intrigued and they want to know more, then they'll ask me but, um, yeah, just helping them become aware of that, I suppose and you say it's like it is very intuitive for you.

Speaker 1:

I know that and also I've pointed out this book, which is a secret language of your body, like in a cigar, which I have by my desk, because when a client says to me you know, I've got some back pain, or um, I don't know, I've got toothache, or you know, my right wrist is giving me some jip at the moment, I'll pull out this book and then I'll look through it. I'll literally flick through and, um, I know what something knees, right. So this is a common one for me. So if I've got something going on my knees, my left knee in particular, oh no, let's just do possible. Contributing factors control, blame, judgment, anger, resentment, frustration, inflex.

Speaker 2:

So we can carry all of those from. If you think about the lower back of the vertebrae, so the vertebrae is where all the signals come from, so the lower part of the back is a very big area, so we can carry quite a lot of. I mean, you can carry frustration and anger anywhere really, but it's where you're sending those signals to.

Speaker 2:

So it's those heavier emotions, yeah, and like you, think about your legs is about moving forward, or like there's, like we said earlier, drive motivation. You think about sitting in a car or traffic lights. It's that motion stop, start, go, stop, start, go. And it's just helping people to think yeah, where am I doing that? Where am I procrastinating, where am I holding back? Yeah, it's fascinating helping people to think yeah, where am I doing that, where am I procrastinating?

Speaker 1:

Where am I holding back? Yeah, it's fascinating really, isn't it? And then you've got the right-hand side of the body and the left-hand side right. Yeah, so in here it says the left-hand side. If I had a left knee problem, it's likely to be issues with mother, sister, aunt or a significant female in my life, and the right knee would be issues with a significant male in my life, and it's just like so. It's interesting, it is interesting. So what do you understand about the left hand side and the right hand side in the kind of metaphysical so everybody carries the same feminine, masculine energy.

Speaker 2:

It's just yeah, connecting to that part of those people, because sometimes it might actually be ourselves which, most of the time it generally is. It is about us connecting, working for ourselves, but it is how we take on, because we take on our parents perspectives and conditions, who are two separate people and it's coming down to one person so so it's a very cotton woolly.

Speaker 1:

Entitled. Yeah, how fascinating that a lot of the healing I think that we do from and we call it trauma. I mean it's just like upbringing, right. Yeah, it's like where we get a lot of our trauma from.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't have to be what we understand as traumatic, traumatic events or yeah, something traumatic happening to us.

Speaker 1:

One of the things that has been pivotal is in the healing is to be aware of what the body is signaling. Yeah, to us in the moment that we are activated. Yeah, in the past coming up, yeah. So what have you understood about, like, how the body, like how we can move through that? So obviously you do it through massage and needling and that's because someone's going oh, I'm tight here or I need a massage. They know that they need a massage, but you know they need more than that. So how, what's your understanding? How do you talk about what more they need a massage, but you know they need more more than that. So how, what's your understanding? How do you talk about what more they need?

Speaker 2:

so always after we finished our session, I will say whatever you do in between now and your next session is important. Don't go away and just think I'm coming back to be fixed, because you're not broken first of of all, and you know, there's so many tools that we can use to help us come into creating a calm nervous system, because that's what it is right. Like you say, things have affected us when we're younger. Okay, it might not have been traumatic, but to our body it's coming out of safety. It's creating a traumatic experience to our body. However, that may be um so like meditation or just sitting outside, like you've got the most amazing view, just sitting there and watching. That could be so healing in itself. Listening to the birds, you know, playing a bit of music, moving your body, allowing your body to move.

Speaker 2:

For me, moving my body has been pivotal because it helps me to realize where I'm tight, where I'm holding on to tension. Yes, I love massage and I have massage because I preach it, but I also have to do other things. Like moving helps me come out and connect to my body because we're so disconnected. That's another thing why people are the way that they are. It's because of that disconnection. I mean, there's so many apps and things that you can use these days to create different tools, but even like sitting with cacao and just allowing myself to do a little ceremony to myself, you know, come into my heart space. What am I grateful for? Even writing down five things that you're grateful for helps you come into a different space. It's like, actually you know what? Life's pretty good, yeah totally.

Speaker 1:

What am I moaning for? Not that I moan, but you know, sometimes Life's pretty good, yeah, totally.

Speaker 2:

What am I moaning for? Not that I moan, but you know, sometimes it is a bit like, oh God, I've had a crap day or this isn't going right and it's just like think about the things that are going wrong.

Speaker 1:

Oh God, yeah, we could all do that a little bit more.

Speaker 2:

It's just using tools, multiple tools, and again things that people aren't taught tools, multiple tools, and again things that people aren't taught. We're not taught all of this stuff growing up. We're not taught how to calm ourselves or bring ourselves into peace. So, yeah, it's just fun in that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah we're not taught how to be that emotion that, although we we hear that you know you have to like, restrict your calories, eat healthy exercise, that's still what we're hearing. Right in terms of how you look after yourself, I think there is a big drive around, like the importance of sleep, for example like that's like the main thing, I think oh god, if I don't get good sleep.

Speaker 1:

No, it affects the rest of my day in terms of, like, what I'm capable of doing, the energy I have around it and my mood and everything. So it's so, so important. And this is, of course, when we're totally switched off and our body can actually recover right and restore. So so, yes, it's not just about what we do, because I think this is the era we're in. It's like this. I've got to be doing something like, yeah, fixing myself what a human being.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, a bit more exactly so what?

Speaker 1:

what are the things on the? Other side, because I think the doing bits is all where we're in our sympathetic nervous system, where we are switched on we're potentially creating doing something. Yeah, and we're potentially stressed or in a low level of chronic stress, when we're constantly doing something and actually our body can only switch off when we allow it to by sending signals that it's safe to relax and to restore and all that kind of thing. So sleep is an obvious one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, because we all do it, and then you get a watch that tells you your quality of sleep's not great and then you have to be careful that you you know if you've had a good night's sleep or not, not just what the watch has told you, because I think that's another thing right yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2:

I used to wear one and then I stopped wearing them and I think you can get obsessed because people are like about their steps and how they're sleeping and their heart pressure, and it's just like if you don't acknowledge that, you don't think about it they're too right it's like another thing, isn't it?

Speaker 1:

yeah, yeah, I've got it, yeah I've got it because, um, I started running, so you hadn't bought it for me for that, and I can track my progress with regards to fitness levels. But I have been here before where I've had it for the steps and it's almost like I forgot it one day and it's almost like it's almost like well, it doesn't count, then does it?

Speaker 1:

yeah, but how ridiculous is that exactly that you're freaking out about not capturing your steps in an app, but you're still with the steps, yeah it's like, and I think it makes sense yeah, what?

Speaker 1:

was it? Oh so, yeah, being with our emotions. It's like another um thing we're not taught, and I think that's again. Another piece for me is when I don't mean to sound like vulgar, but it's like when we can sit in our shit and not be fearful of it and not try and distract ourselves from it and like, for me, eating, yeah, like shoving food down my mouth because whatever's coming up is too uncomfortable, but because it becomes a habit of feel uncomfortable emotion, eat something. It becomes automatic and you don't even connect the two together anymore. It's a suppressant.

Speaker 2:

It's like taking medication, right, like smoking or drinking, taking drugs, all of that Knowing your coping mechanism in that space of something rising, yeah, so our bodies become like volcanoes, right, so it's like erupting and sometimes people get to that point where they just erupt. And I know that feeling and I have this conversation with a client this morning and because she said to me, how have you got where you are?

Speaker 1:

and I was like a lot of work, I said I used to be somebody that could not deal with my emotions because growing up it was always don't cry, don't do that, come on like yeah suppressing, suppressing, suppressing I was going to your room, my feelings go to your room, yeah, like, yeah, it was a lot of suffering in silence, on my own as well, I think god, yeah, I'd be so angry and frustrated in my bedroom, like I can remember, like smacking my hairbrush, like just getting so angry thinking why do I feel like this?

Speaker 2:

I couldn't cope with what I was feeling because I'm usually such a happy person so I couldn't deal with that low point. And there was a lot to deal with, like abandonment, depression that just kept coming up and coming up and coming up, until I mean, I haven't had that feeling for probably about three or four years now.

Speaker 2:

So there's hope, right, if people are listening and I was the same, like I used to feel anxiety, like always, always, I used to not be able to sleep because I'd be like this can't be my life, like there's more to life. If I died, would I be happy and I wouldn't sleep all night, and then I'd be like going to work and then I'd go home and do exactly the same and I'm like what am I thinking?

Speaker 1:

like this yeah, it's funny, my anxiety was slightly different. It was more around like am I good enough at work, for example, like should I have done something different or could I have done? Like being better in some way. What was that person thinking left?

Speaker 1:

thinking you were in a high intensity job role, right, yeah, I had a therapist tell me I was operating at a very high level of high functioning anxiety disorder. So, and I and I see this in the women that come to me as well like, not that I've ever diagnosed them, but I can I can spot the traits because I lived it and and now, if I have an anxious moment, it's usually like I have this wave of um, like fear that buddy's gonna be snatched, or something like when I'm walking down the road and I see a white van pull up yeah it's like irrational and it's kind of extreme, but I can go.

Speaker 1:

Oh, there's that. That is few and far between now and I can pull myself out of it and and I didn't realize that you could live with such almost peace without it sounding like too far out there. But it is like this peace of mind, this peace of body that you get to experience when you've actually experienced the, the emotions that feel so uncomfortable to be sitting with and it's realizing that all your thoughts aren't always real don't believe everything you think to be.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so when you're living in that anxiety, usually it's worrying about future or what you have and you haven't done, whereas you know I'm not connecting to that part. I don't think this morning actually something came up and I thought no, I'm not being that person.

Speaker 1:

So true, stop punishing yourself yeah, but it's so hard, isn't it? Because it's a habitual way of being and thinking and also feeling, and I think oftentimes what I've learned is you can't necessarily do it all by yourself and actually a lot of the healing happens in a connection with someone else. So, whether that's laying on your bed in connection with you and your hands working your magic and actually giving that awareness of what else is going on, working your magic and actually giving that awareness of what else is going on, or whether it's sitting in therapy, and allowing someone to hold you in that emotion and creating that safe space for it to come up and out.

Speaker 2:

And you know I've got.

Speaker 1:

One of my very good friends. Holds that space for me. She's a trauma psychotherapist. I don't claim to have had terrible trauma growing up, Just like growing up stuff, bullying on the playground, perhaps a bit of power over by my dad who was, you know, this big masculine figure, but the effects it has. It's like I've had to allow someone to play a role in my emotions coming up that I've not been used to.

Speaker 1:

ie it's okay to cry if you need to it's okay let's sit with this, let's be with it, let's open it up like let's go there. And as terrifying as it sounds, it's actually never as bad as it, no, as you think it's going to be it's always like I said about the pain right, we avoid pain.

Speaker 2:

We don't want to feel pain, but actually you have to go into it. You have to change the narrative of that point of view or what we're thinking about it. Yeah so, again, that's another thing, right, because, as we grow up, when we're in environments that we don't feel safe in especially women, with women I find yeah there's like a barrier isn't there?

Speaker 2:

so being around women I mean, when we met, that was like the for me, that was a big thing for me to be empowered by other women and feel safe and supported and not have that toxic, you know, backstabbing nasty energy of just not very, just not very nice. So it is opening up.

Speaker 1:

It's finding the right people. It definitely, yeah, it definitely is, and I think you know when you feel safe.

Speaker 1:

And actually that's it's one thing that I think I've realised through doing like retreats and stuff and obviously the coaching that I do is that I think I do create that safety for other people, and what I hear most often is god, I've never told anyone this, yeah, or I've never been able to do this, yeah, with anyone else, and and I think that's a beautiful testament, I'm sure that you get the same kind of time so lovely, yeah, and especially because I have a lot of men as well and they're like I don't ever tell anyone this and I'm like, well, you're in a safe space.

Speaker 2:

So it is creating that for people and I think it's so important, especially as we know that we didn't feel that when we were younger. So, having that, I just find, yeah, it's important for people.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So on the whole men thing, are there differences with men? Do you think there's like an? Do you think they open up easier when they realise that that's all they need to do, or do you think there's more barriers in there for them? It?

Speaker 2:

depends on the person. I find If men are a bit more in tune with their emotions and allow themselves, then yeah. But I don't know, Like I have people that have served before, so they're a bit more reserved, but probably conditioned to yeah so like hard, like you can see it in them that they're like I'm gonna hold on to this, yeah, like yeah, but yeah, everyone's different yeah it's interesting because I have worked with I know I speak mainly to women, but I have worked with men in my time.

Speaker 1:

Obviously I've worked with men throughout my career and, yeah, I, I don't know, I feel like there's this a the kind of challenges and struggles are very similar, more similar and match than we think we sort of would ever imagine. Yeah, even down to the like psychological things that we go through and some of the emotional stuff that comes up, I think it is similar. It's just that boys are brought up to have even less to be men.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I do find that with men that they're not harder to break down, but because they're taught and conditioned to, you know, be the stronger sex and they, they take that on very well. Yeah, too much yeah.

Speaker 1:

I do have a lot of compassion for men, yeah, especially in today's world yeah, and I think, as women, we are really good at like providing support for each other and then for creating these little pockets of like safe spaces that we have done and like there's it's growing and growing right and I think we're starting to see it for the men too, like there's a few things and man Up, I think, is.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I shared that the other day. Yeah, it was man Cave or something. Oh, the man Cave, yeah.

Speaker 1:

So there's another one, I think it's called man Up, but more and more supportive spaces are coming up for our men, and so you've recently fallen in love, which is another reason you've got this lovely glow about you.

Speaker 1:

Everyone keeps saying they're like you were just like voy being in love and I'm like, yeah, and you know I think I've known you to have some situations interest, yeah along the way, but never anything that felt like it was a relationship and and I've seen you work on yourself in the sense of like your physical, starting again your physical, like you're in the best shape of your life and you've come into this relationship which is, dare I say, it feels like it's perfect. Yeah, so what are the things? If you were to look back and think, oh, this was all part of the coming together now?

Speaker 2:

everything. Um, I was having this conversation with my friend last night actually, and she was like this is why we had all those lessons. But I've never been somebody to play in victim mode of like why has this happened to me? The last proper relationship I was in was, you know, we went through a lot Like miscarriages, one after the other, and I was never in that victim mode of can't believe this has happened to me. I just got on with it. But then, obviously, once that had all ended, that was a big breaking point.

Speaker 2:

But I remember just being like I need to just not be with anyone. I don't know why I just had this calling of I need to just be on my own. I need to live life. And I think where that anxiety used to come up when I was younger of what am I doing? I'm not doing enough. If I died, would I feel like I've lived a fulfilling life? No, no, I like I've lived a fulfilling life. No, no, I don't just fulfilling my own needs. I used to be a massive people pleaser, just really taking that ownership of. Actually, this is my life and I'm taking responsibility for it. And even that continues and continues in terms of like your boundaries and the people that you surround yourself with. So I do feel like the more you clean up your life in every aspect lifestyle, people, what you're listening to, what you're reading, what you're eating, everything everything plays a part well, I'm very happy that you found happiness, and I know you've enjoyed the journey to an extent as well.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, and I wouldn't have the business I've got if I didn't, you know yeah.

Speaker 1:

I love that and actually, on what you're consuming, I have a bone to pick with you because you've been banging on to me about bloody vikings for years and I finally went down that rabbit hole. I think, coming out of Christmas and I've just finished all six seasons, I must have devoured it in the two months and I was like that's a bloody Amy that told me I must watch bloody biking. So I'm glad it's finished and I'm glad it's finished.

Speaker 1:

I was slightly grieving but I thought it was a nice ending. Yeah, I'm glad'm glad. Those that you know didn't make it didn't make it, and I'm glad.

Speaker 2:

Because you know there's not going to be any more. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:

I was like thank God for that. I was like hang in. You know, when you finish this amazing long journey on the series and then they leave you there was no closure. Felt like there was closure. So they leave you. There was no closure, felt like there was closure. So thanks for that, it's good. No more recommendations, though, please. We're going into spring and I said to adam no more tv, because I don't watch a lot of tv yet this winter. I don't know what it was.

Speaker 2:

I just really went into needing my little netflix time, and it's interesting though, because I'm the same and I don't watch normal tv or anything. But I have realized that where we're so busy throughout the day and we're doing what we're doing, you do need that. I want to say shit yeah bit to come to switch off yeah, yeah because otherwise I'll lay in bed and I'll be researching and I'll be looking at things. I'm like no just yeah it allows me to just stop yeah so if.

Speaker 2:

I permission to watch Vikings if you want to, yeah and it doesn't like you say, it's not every day, but, like when I go to Chris's, we'll watch a series. We're watching Narcos at the moment oh yeah yeah, now it's like yeah, you're all the time, hey gringo well, it's been wonderful to have this conversation with you.

Speaker 1:

Thank you for coming. How can people like connect with you? Or what have you got coming up in business?

Speaker 2:

because I know you've got some retreats coming up and yeah, so next, month I have, on the 29th, which is the day before mother's day a your inner peace, your inner essence, sorry, which is two and a half hours just helping women to again come into their heart space, just take time to reflect on yourself. It's very gentle and easy in terms of like, just allowing that space instead of anything being forceful. It's like cacao a little bit of movement, some sound and some reflective writing and it's like beautiful space as well um and that's in kent right, yeah, it's in ashford once a month.

Speaker 2:

I'm doing a sunrise start.

Speaker 1:

I want to come to the next one, but I don't think I can.

Speaker 2:

It's on Monday, oh, 5.30. Oh, is it?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh, I think I can do that then.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so it will always be different At what time 5.30. You sure it needs to be that early used to be that early. Yeah, I feel the same. Boo um reiki share tuesday, which I'm going to do once a month.

Speaker 1:

I'm just creating, yeah, lots of different things really I love it, and so how can people get hold of you?

Speaker 2:

is instagram the best place, or instagram and facebook, i've've got the Path to Embodiment pages, and then on Facebook, I've just got Amy Mills.

Speaker 1:

Ensure that the links to that are in the show notes. We're going to go for lunch now. Take care, guys. See you next week you.

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Emma Clayton

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Amy Mills

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